Forums - SF3: THIRD help me figure a way outta this Hugo mix up.... Show all 62 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Strategy & Tactics (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10) -- SF3: THIRD help me figure a way outta this Hugo mix up.... (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52135) Posted by premiumg on 01:17:2002 11:53 PM: help me figure a way outta this Hugo mix up.... This is what my friend does on 3rd strike against me. After he knocks me down, he mixes up between these moves: - low med. kick (sweeps me down and mixups start all over) - standing close HP (over head hit) - standard overhead hit - 360 run and grab - block my super Usually i try to guess and parry high or low. I use the shotokans by the way. After a parry, Hugo is usually to far away to combo w/ a standing fierce (animation is roundhouse punch). His 360 move stops my parry though. Dragon punch is snuffed by his well timed low kicks and overhead standing HP. What other wake-up move do u suggest? Any suggestions at all? Posted by TACOMA_VAN_DOOM on 01:18:2002 12:01 AM: Either do a tactical recover (roll right before you get up), yea doing that might help, or you can keep guessing where he is gonna go next (using a system of elimination ), or SHORYUUUUUUKEN!!! it. Sorry i couldnt be of too much help, i dont play any Hugo's up here. Posted by TACOMA_VAN_DOOM on 01:18:2002 12:01 AM: Either do a tactical recover (roll right before you get up), yea doing that might help, or you can keep guessing where he is gonna go next (using a system of elimination ), or SHORYUUUUUUKEN!!! it. Sorry i couldnt be of too much help, i dont play any Hugo's up here. Posted by brian on 01:18:2002 01:38 AM: This doesnt seem very specific to hugo... Clearly learning to quick stand/tactical recover is crucial for this game.. Posted by bl3hbl3h on 01:18:2002 02:16 AM: I agree, quick stand is a good thing here if not, just throw him when you get up works many times if he's standing right next to you Blocking low could also be a good thing since his overheads aren't as painful as the rest of his stuff EX Shoryuken is another thing I would try Parrying is something I definitely would NOT try vs Hugo But look on the bright side, if you knock him down you can mess with his head like he does to you Posted by premiumg on 01:18:2002 04:34 AM: i do quick recover but i mess up on it sometimes. Can u quick recover from a throw? Posted by C-Royd on 01:18:2002 01:54 PM: quote: Originally posted by TACOMA_VAN_DOOM Either do a tactical recover (roll right before you get up), yea doing that might help, or you can keep guessing where he is gonna go next (using a system of elimination ), or SHORYUUUUUUKEN!!! it. Sorry i couldnt be of too much help, i dont play any Hugo's up here. no that's about right. There's nothing else you can do other then to parry, roll, ANti Air, and super. Posted by hyt on 01:18:2002 03:36 PM: There's an equal probablity that any of those moves can occur so you gotta make your best guess and pay attention to your opponent's patterns. There are some tell tale signs for what your opponent does some times like when you get up and he performs a certain move (dash => 360 comes to mind). Sometimes you might block a low strong, get 360ed, and turtle only to end up on the receiving end of a dash => 720. Tactical recovery may help reduce the time your opponent can approach you but the same options still remain. Off Topic: What moves can't you tech roll from? Posted by BillyKane on 01:18:2002 10:41 PM: Ibuki's Raida and the Super Arts. I think that's it. Posted by Geese on 01:18:2002 11:03 PM: quote: Originally posted by hyt There's an equal probablity that any of those moves can occur so you gotta make your best guess and pay attention to your opponent's patterns. There are some tell tale signs for what your opponent does some times like when you get up and he performs a certain move (dash => 360 comes to mind). Sometimes you might block a low strong, get 360ed, and turtle only to end up on the receiving end of a dash => 720. Tactical recovery may help reduce the time your opponent can approach you but the same options still remain. Off Topic: What moves can't you tech roll from? Retard boy, if in Toronto, ppl stand there when a Hugo dashes at them, then u must of gotten a lot worse since i last played there. Fucking hit him when he dashes, or jump god damnit. Theres nothing to worry about when Hugo is above u...when u get up the worst thing that can happen is u get SPD'ed. Let's analyze shall we what could happen? a) u get up, u block, u get thrown normally. If ur opponent is good, u will get standing 360'ed (this is assuming he's doing it without buffering into it, cause if he is buffering into it from a s. strong, fucking jump back when u get up). If ur opponent is REALLY FUCKING GOOD, u will get Gigas Breaker, but i dont think i will ever see person to do s. Gigas Breaker like Japs. b) ah fuck it, im tired...just fucking jump, worst thing that can happen is u eat a fucking s. strong, or fierce...big whoop. Best thing to do as the smart ppl pointed out is roll the hell outta his reach. And do a lot of fireballs against Hugo. Better him parrying than him near you where he could rape ur bung hole. Posted by scuddman on 01:19:2002 04:37 AM: Watch his hands. Very few people can start a motion and stop it on a dime. If he does a 360 motion you can see it out of the corner of your eye and shoryuken on reaction. On the flip side, if you can stop your super motion on a dime you'll never miss a wake up super EVER again. The ONLY thing you can't tech roll from is a super. Oh yeah, jump and air parry works. Smart Hugo players can punish that too, but stupid Hugo players can't. If your opponent can do standing Gigas Breaker...uh oh...only thing to do is jump out. Posted by hyt on 01:19:2002 05:20 AM: Geese, I've seen elite HK players get hit by these Hugo tactics. They're not stupid, they're just not making the wrong guesses (which is what SF is about, mindgames). This guy is asking for help about Okizeme (aka the wake up game) and it's not gonna help when you just start flaming people left and right. The one thing that Hugo does that Gief doesn't is a normal anti-air throw. Moreover the LAST thing you want to happen to you is to be your opponent's bitch and get baited into something he was totally expecting. Posted by Alhazard on 01:19:2002 12:16 PM: Dont try to guess parrying, the odds are vastly against you. Just block his moves, you can see the HP overhead coming and just jump when he does 360+kick. The UOH is pretty fast though and that sets up a tick. Just make sure to watch the ranges also, and try thinking just one step ahead. IE if you block his meaty attacks even once, prepare to jump over his throws Posted by Geese on 01:19:2002 07:05 PM: quote: Originally posted by hyt Geese, I've seen elite HK players get hit by these Hugo tactics. They're not stupid, they're just not making the wrong guesses (which is what SF is about, mindgames). This guy is asking for help about Okizeme (aka the wake up game) and it's not gonna help when you just start flaming people left and right. The one thing that Hugo does that Gief doesn't is a normal anti-air throw. Moreover the LAST thing you want to happen to you is to be your opponent's bitch and get baited into something he was totally expecting. OMG, u think guessing = mindgames? u got it wrong bub..guessing is guessing, not mindgames...mindgames is having a plan of action, not just throwing out random UOH or random SPD's and hoping he blocks low... Posted by korona on 01:19:2002 11:15 PM: quote: Originally posted by Geese fucking jump back when u get up). If ur opponent is REALLY FUCKING GOOD, u will get Gigas Breaker, but i dont think i will ever see person to do s. Gigas Breaker like Japs. I've never seen s. Gigas Breaker, not even in videos. Is it possible at all? What do you have to do? Just be really fuckin fast? Got a video of it? Posted by bl3hbl3h on 01:19:2002 11:30 PM: i believe the easy way to standing Gigas is to buffer it off a jab or something really quickly or do it while you are in a blocking or hitstun animation i've been hit a couple times by a standing gigas in actual gameplay but don't remember the exact circumstances (and stupidly forgot to ask the guy exactly how he did it) Posted by scuddman on 01:19:2002 11:34 PM: I'm certain it's done exactly like Zangief's in alpha 2. You can dash into it, jump into it, get up into it really easily. But to walk into it, you have to walk forward, stick out a cancellable move and cancel out of it really really fast. Remember the classic Jump fierce splash -> c. short -> spd or final atomic buster tick? Well, whiffing a cancellable move into super works just fine. As for mindgames, it is a mindgame to keep doing sweeps until your opponent blocks, and then grab him when he starts turtling, it's just that it's also escapable if you stay on your toes. Posted by korona on 01:19:2002 11:46 PM: ok I didn't realize we were talking about regular buffered 360's ... I can do those, but for some reason I though it sounded as if the 720 just came out of nothing ... i can usually do gigas off a short and almost every time from a dash (but that's a bit too obvious), but just stand->gigas is impossible I'd say :P Posted by Geese on 01:20:2002 01:18 AM: I wasn't talking about no mother fucking bufered Gigas Breaker. Any handicapped mofo can do it off a s. strong or a dash. I'm talking about walk up Gigas Breaker. The kind that the Japs can do. And yes, they CAN do it. It's cause their joysticks are so god damn small, and their Asian reflexes allow them to pull off such intense shit. Just read the article on SRK about US vs. Japan, and u will find out more about how/when they did them. PS. No, doing trips, then doing 360 is not a fucking mindgame. You have no fucking CLUE what a mind game is fuck-tard. Posted by scuddman on 01:20:2002 02:12 AM: How is it not a mindgame? A mindgame is where I play games with your mind. It's known as a fake in basketball. You're right, it's a plan of action. Doing a move until they turtle is NOT a guess. I would not do a standing 360 on someone getting up unless I've trained them to block. Doing otherwise is a free dragon punch. You gotta make them think in their minds that blocking is the best option, then make them pay when they think so. It's just a basic example. Obviously such a mindgame is easy to stop. Doesn't change the fact that it's a mindgame, regardless of the fact that you can low parry/quick recover/shoryuken/super out of it. Or gee, if you want an example that bad, do a whiffed move people think they can punish and then super. More basic stuff. Whiff a short geri kick on purpose at just the right distance, then shinshoryuken. There ya go. It'll never work more than once on an average player. As for retards, you ever hear of a kara throw? John Choi stated in his US vs. Japan report that the hugo's were all doing standing kara buffered Gigas Breakers. You know what that means? They're whiffing a move into it. Walk up, stand jab, go into gigas breaker before the animation for the jab has even come out. Just an example. You can't do a stand gigas breaker on US sticks, because by the time you do the 2nd 360 you jump straight up. You basically HAVE to do it that way. I'm pretty positive you know that, so can the attitude, not everyone does know that. On top of that, if you WANT to do a stand 720 on US sticks, that's the way you gotta do it. Simple as that. Much easier and more reliable than just spinning the joystick. We don't have joysticks with the diameter of a dime. However, the result is the same. You can still walk up and 720. If more people in the US actually bothered to play the game, we'd have more people able to do standing 720's. There you go, walk up 720's, without the insults. Posted by Geese on 01:20:2002 03:54 AM: quote: Originally posted by scuddman How is it not a mindgame? A mindgame is where I play games with your mind. It's known as a fake in basketball. You're right, it's a plan of action. Doing a move until they turtle is NOT a guess. I would not do a standing 360 on someone getting up unless I've trained them to block. Doing otherwise is a free dragon punch. You gotta make them think in their minds that blocking is the best option, then make them pay when they think so. It's just a basic example. Obviously such a mindgame is easy to stop. Doesn't change the fact that it's a mindgame, regardless of the fact that you can low parry/quick recover/shoryuken/super out of it. Or gee, if you want an example that bad, do a whiffed move people think they can punish and then super. More basic stuff. Whiff a short geri kick on purpose at just the right distance, then shinshoryuken. There ya go. It'll never work more than once on an average player. As for retards, you ever hear of a kara throw? John Choi stated in his US vs. Japan report that the hugo's were all doing standing kara buffered Gigas Breakers. You know what that means? They're whiffing a move into it. Walk up, stand jab, go into gigas breaker before the animation for the jab has even come out. Just an example. You can't do a stand gigas breaker on US sticks, because by the time you do the 2nd 360 you jump straight up. You basically HAVE to do it that way. I'm pretty positive you know that, so can the attitude, not everyone does know that. On top of that, if you WANT to do a stand 720 on US sticks, that's the way you gotta do it. Simple as that. Much easier and more reliable than just spinning the joystick. We don't have joysticks with the diameter of a dime. However, the result is the same. You can still walk up and 720. If more people in the US actually bothered to play the game, we'd have more people able to do standing 720's. There you go, walk up 720's, without the insults. First of all, if u know the damn game, u ain't gonna try to retaliate after a move that has no recovery. Its called "knowing" the fucking game. It aint no god damn mindgame. Throwing them when they turtle is no mind game either. Ask Apoc if u wanna know what a mind game. I'm telling u that the shit u listed aint no mindgame. Peace. Posted by scuddman on 01:20:2002 08:05 AM: All right, I'll take your suggestion. Maybe I'll learn something. Posted by vaeir on 01:20:2002 09:43 PM: Geese: "Best thing to do as the smart ppl pointed out is roll the hell outta his reach. And do a lot of fireballs against Hugo. Better him parrying than him near you where he could rape ur bung hole." If this is how you play against Hugo, or any other chars in SF3, i can imagine what kinda competition there is in London. and about the mind game or whatever thing.... mind game and guessing is interelated, you do a variety of moves(mind games) so ur opponent has to guess what move comes next, it applys to some chars more than others, but i think hugo is not that good at making other ppl guess so it's not the main part of playing hugo...hugo is more about applying pressure --- jumping and throwing alot of fireballs is exactly what hugo players want u to do as expected when u're under pressure. and the worst thing u can get by jumping is a megaton press and that's 1/2 of ur bar gone Posted by Geese on 01:20:2002 10:03 PM: quote: Originally posted by vaeir Geese: "Best thing to do as the smart ppl pointed out is roll the hell outta his reach. And do a lot of fireballs against Hugo. Better him parrying than him near you where he could rape ur bung hole." If this is how you play against Hugo, or any other chars in SF3, i can imagine what kinda competition there is in London. and about the mind game or whatever thing.... mind game and guessing is interelated, you do a variety of moves(mind games) so ur opponent has to guess what move comes next, it applys to some chars more than others, but i think hugo is not that good at making other ppl guess so it's not the main part of playing hugo...hugo is more about applying pressure --- jumping and throwing alot of fireballs is exactly what hugo players want u to do as expected when u're under pressure. and the worst thing u can get by jumping is a megaton press and that's 1/2 of ur bar gone Oh my god...now I know ur a fucking scrub. First, u don't specify why my way of playing Hugo is wrong. You just act all cocky like u know what the fuck ur talking about (which u obviously DON'T). Second, retard boy, the Megaton Press has fucking ZERO priority. It's fucking LAUGHABLE cause I haven't been hit by that move in like 2 years. THe only way in hell some Hugo player is gonna hit u with that is off a HCB Kick throw, which again, is almost impossible to get on someone cause of its shit priority and shit range and shit speed. Third, who said to jump at Hugo? Are you stupid? Fourth, throwing fireballs keeps him in his fucking place. The last thing u want happening is Hugo getting near you. You wanna keep him the fuck AWAY or in BLOCKSTUN or PARRYING. Lame piece of shit. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. EDIT: Oh, yeah, doing random moves "mixing" it up is not a fucking mind game. As i said, some of u don't know what a mindgame. Talk to Apoc to find out. He's a knowledgable guy. He's the one who opened my eyes to what a mind game is in the first place. Posted by vaeir on 01:20:2002 10:41 PM: cocky? plz do some self reflection b4 u criticize other people.. all these talking is useless, if u're ever coming to toronto, i'll show you what i mean! untill then i won't argue with you pointlessly as both side can't come to an agreement Posted by will on 01:21:2002 01:21 AM: Geese, there are a bunch of people in T.O. that can do walk-up 720s... i.e. Gigas Breaker. Posted by C-Royd on 01:21:2002 01:31 AM: quote: Originally posted by will Geese, there are a bunch of people in T.O. that can do walk-up 720s... i.e. Gigas Breaker. here in London we can all do a walkup 720 so dont feel too proud, Will. But we dont dare bring it to the arcade cuz we dont want people copying us so we keep our REAL SKILL on the dreamcast. Posted by Geese on 01:21:2002 03:22 AM: walk up 720's is incredibly hard...without buffering in into anything...show me this stuff next time i come down.. i will come down for a week on Feb. 25th ... so i will meet u guys then... later Posted by roboticus on 01:21:2002 11:35 PM: quote: Originally posted by Geese Oh my god...now I know ur a fucking scrub. First, u don't specify why my way of playing Hugo is wrong. You just act all cocky like u know what the fuck ur talking about (which u obviously DON'T). Second, retard boy, the Megaton Press has fucking ZERO priority. It's fucking LAUGHABLE cause I haven't been hit by that move in like 2 years. THe only way in hell some Hugo player is gonna hit u with that is off a HCB Kick throw, which again, is almost impossible to get on someone cause of its shit priority and shit range and shit speed. Third, who said to jump at Hugo? Are you stupid? Your second and third points are contradictory. Megaton Press and Shootdown backbreaker have the same priority. Each one is stuffed the same way: high, tight arc, hitting animation concentrated at Hugo's head. If you do it late enough, you can increase the chance of that move connecting by like 90%. The key is to press the attack early to stuff Hugo, but once he sees that, all he has to do is beat you in the air w/j.strong or j.short (whichever is the most appropriate.) Or, he can jump in the air and parry. You must land, as in, you have to go through the landing animation, at which point, Hugo has a free SPD. Hopefully, you weren't try to keep him in stun animation w/your fbs, b/c any good Hugo will parry and build meter. quote: Originally posted by Geese Fourth, throwing fireballs keeps him in his fucking place. The last thing u want happening is Hugo getting near you. You wanna keep him the fuck AWAY or in BLOCKSTUN or PARRYING. Lame piece of shit. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I'm sorry, but you don't know what your talking about either. Hugo has reach, and you can only safely throw fbs from a distance, if it is not attached to some 2 or 3 in 1 move, or buffered from something that keeps you at a good distance. c.fwd xx fb can be red-parried into super. You need to add an extra move, like j.fr xx strong xx fr (Ken's combo) xx fb, to be safely away from any red parries. Do you think that this is too hard to see in real comp? Alex Valle did it to my all day against my scrub-ass Ken, vs. his Alex, and at the MWC. Please do us a favor and quit flaming people about how awesome Canada is. I won't believe it until they leave America's suburb and come down to the city. Dale Posted by CaliFlower on 01:22:2002 01:45 AM: quote: Originally posted by roboticus Your second and third points are contradictory. Megaton Press and Shootdown backbreaker have the same priority. Each one is stuffed the same way: high, tight arc, hitting animation concentrated at Hugo's head. If you do it late enough, you can increase the chance of that move connecting by like 90%. The key is to press the attack early to stuff Hugo, but once he sees that, all he has to do is beat you in the air w/j.strong or j.short (whichever is the most appropriate.) Or, he can jump in the air and parry. You must land, as in, you have to go through the landing animation, at which point, Hugo has a free SPD. Hopefully, you weren't try to keep him in stun animation w/your fbs, b/c any good Hugo will parry and build meter. I'm sorry, but you don't know what your talking about either. Hugo has reach, and you can only safely throw fbs from a distance, if it is not attached to some 2 or 3 in 1 move, or buffered from something that keeps you at a good distance. c.fwd xx fb can be red-parried into super. You need to add an extra move, like j.fr xx strong xx fr (Ken's combo) xx fb, to be safely away from any red parries. Do you think that this is too hard to see in real comp? Alex Valle did it to my all day against my scrub-ass Ken, vs. his Alex, and at the MWC. Please do us a favor and quit flaming people about how awesome Canada is. I won't believe it until they leave America's suburb and come down to the city. Dale OMG u fucking fool. Toronto 3S ownz u all. Even ur precious little Californi-A. Have u even seen the vids? I haven't seen that kind of intense shit EVER. I almost shit my pants when I saw how good my fellow Toronto canucks are. US doesn't even compare. Only Japan gives a challenge now. Please, watch the vids before u act like a fucking MORON again! Posted by DeadlyRaveNeo on 01:22:2002 01:58 AM: quote: Originally posted by CaliFlower OMG u fucking fool. Toronto 3S ownz u all. Even ur precious little Californi-A. Have u even seen the vids? I haven't seen that kind of intense shit EVER. I almost shit my pants when I saw how good my fellow Toronto canucks are. US doesn't even compare. Only Japan gives a challenge now. Please, watch the vids before u act like a fucking MORON again! I've ignored you long enough but please... ...please let's not turn this into one of *THOSE* thread. ..and nice touch on using your alternate username to backyourself up. lol. Posted by roboticus on 01:22:2002 09:35 PM: quote: Originally posted by CaliFlower OMG u fucking fool. Toronto 3S ownz u all. Even ur precious little Californi-A. Have u even seen the vids? I haven't seen that kind of intense shit EVER. I almost shit my pants when I saw how good my fellow Toronto canucks are. US doesn't even compare. Only Japan gives a challenge now. Please, watch the vids before u act like a fucking MORON again! As I have posted many times before I went to TO and I saw nothing! Granted, most of my play was at Younge street, which apparently, after my trip I was informed, is not where a lot of top people play. But, you know what? I specifically asked for people to come up and play me and to spread the word two weeks in advance. People told me that they were going to be there and no one showed. People who claimed to be the best said to show up on Sunday, which I did, and no one was any good. But, that doesn't mean that good players don't exist there. I understand that there are but a few, and that players don't hang out at arcades all the time. However, what I found distressing was that: 1) there weren't a lot of even good players - this does not bode well b/c a sign of a good area is the number of players, particularly hard core players who are there when they say they'll be there -how is an area supposed to be good by not practicing against anyone? an area can only be so good from watching vids (show-off vids at that, not useful in tourney play) and reading forums 2) they had this weak-ass give up seconds to losers -though the number of good players was low, there still seemed to be a system where the scrubs are able to enforce this rule -this system does not encourage better players, but merely extends the quarter-playing time (or whatever is costs in CA$) Dale Posted by Raging Storm on 01:22:2002 09:37 PM: quote: Originally posted by roboticus As I have posted many times before I went to TO and I saw nothing! Granted, most of my play was at Younge street, which apparently, after my trip I was informed, is not where a lot of top people play. But, you know what? I specifically asked for people to come up and play me and to spread the word two weeks in advance. People told me that they were going to be there and no one showed. People who claimed to be the best said to show up on Sunday, which I did, and no one was any good. But, that doesn't mean that good players don't exist there. I understand that there are but a few, and that players don't hang out at arcades all the time. However, what I found distressing was that: 1) there weren't a lot of even good players - this does not bode well b/c a sign of a good area is the number of players, particularly hard core players who are there when they say they'll be there -how is an area supposed to be good by not practicing against anyone? an area can only be so good from watching vids (show-off vids at that, not useful in tourney play) and reading forums 2) they had this weak-ass give up seconds to losers -though the number of good players was low, there still seemed to be a system where the scrubs are able to enforce this rule -this system does not encourage better players, but merely extends the quarter-playing time (or whatever is costs in CA$) Dale First, you're fucking lying, or you didn't meet anyone good. Second, you stupid piece of shit, I give mercy rounds too. So stfu. Posted by vaeir on 01:23:2002 12:26 AM: Sunday, yonge street arcade, no one even plays there... i'm surprised u actually played some ppl, but normally it's empty there i think go there on weekdays as ppl play there work or study downtown... post on the toronto thread next time u mite come over, so more ppl know about it. note: i can't prove that canada is better than usa or vice versa in SF3, but i want to point something out in "Starcarft" the most played competitive game (maybe 100 times more ppl play starcart than street fighter world wide) Canada rank higher than USA now, and in the past two Canada vs USA tournament, top canadian players have won both of the tournies..and arguabally the best player in Starcraft is canadian too of course these are different games but they're both about timing, execution, pressure, etc... i'm just poininting this out to show that even with 10 times the population of Canada, USA still isn't as good as Canada in Starcraft, how do u explain that?? Posted by brian on 01:23:2002 01:23 AM: being from T.O. myself I think it would be cool if the Toronto players really were better than the U.S. players. Maybe they are... but its soo pointless to talk about this until they play each other. There's really nothing to say IMO.... vids are suggestive, but prove nothing. Posted by DeadlyRaveNeo on 01:23:2002 01:55 AM: ok, you cocksuckers turn this into TO vs the world again, I'll fucking personally fucking lynch you. Raging Storm/CaliFlower/Geese is obviously the same person. and He is NOT from Toronto. Roboticus: hmmm, I remember you posting something similar before but your story was quite different from what it is now? In your post before, I don't recall you mentioning anything about "spreading the word" of your arrival. And if I also remember right, this was a good 2 years or so ago. ...now back to a topic, that actually matters, The Hugo question. Posted by RedFlamesOfHell on 01:23:2002 03:26 AM: quote: Originally posted by DeadlyRaveNeo ok, you cocksuckers turn this into TO vs the world again, I'll fucking personally fucking lynch you. Raging Storm/CaliFlower/Geese is obviously the same person. and He is NOT from Toronto. Roboticus: hmmm, I remember you posting something similar before but your story was quite different from what it is now? In your post before, I don't recall you mentioning anything about "spreading the word" of your arrival. And if I also remember right, this was a good 2 years or so ago. ...now back to a topic, that actually matters, The Hugo question. Uhhh... Hate to break it to you ROn, but i dont post under different names to make it look like i have support... lol my geese account ran out of 12 post limit...thats why i used califlower today, that slut akumafuck banned my geese and califlower accounts AND my new raging storm...now, i use this one! Posted by Enki on 01:23:2002 04:12 AM: quote: Originally posted by vaeir Sunday, yonge street arcade, no one even plays there... i'm surprised u actually played some ppl, but normally it's empty there i think go there on weekdays as ppl play there work or study downtown... post on the toronto thread next time u mite come over, so more ppl know about it. note: i can't prove that canada is better than usa or vice versa in SF3, but i want to point something out in "Starcarft" the most played competitive game (maybe 100 times more ppl play starcart than street fighter world wide) Canada rank higher than USA now, and in the past two Canada vs USA tournament, top canadian players have won both of the tournies..and arguabally the best player in Starcraft is canadian too of course these are different games but they're both about timing, execution, pressure, etc... i'm just poininting this out to show that even with 10 times the population of Canada, USA still isn't as good as Canada in Starcraft, how do u explain that?? You've got to be kidding. Boxer (Korea) owns Canada for free, as evidenced by the recent WCG. Canada might be better than USA, but that hardly means its the best in the world. Posted by vaeir on 01:23:2002 05:02 AM: heh, boxer plays 10 hours a day, he is like a robot, but yea he is #1 in the world... when i meant best i meant like over the whole space/time, not just at one instant, but it's not important.. just another thing, one year ago my friend owned boxer for free too, but ppl don't play SC that much now in canada while it's still very popular in korea too bad no battle.net for SF.... Posted by roboticus on 01:24:2002 03:11 PM: quote: Originally posted by DeadlyRaveNeo Roboticus: hmmm, I remember you posting something similar before but your story was quite different from what it is now? In your post before, I don't recall you mentioning anything about "spreading the word" of your arrival. And if I also remember right, this was a good 2 years or so ago. No, my story has stayed the same, except maybe I may have seemed more upset at the fact that the good players didn't come out and see me. I was not the one who was spreading the word (my involvement was posting a couple of messages, BEFORE the Toronto thread), this guy who e-mailed me back said that a lot of people were looking forward to meeting me. But, like I said, that was back in 1999. If TO has improved its scene that much since then, then mad props to them. However, from my experience, I don't see that happening. It usually takes an influx of good players, an increase in player base, and increase in Tourneys. Does that mean TO sucks? I never said that. I'm just pointing out that I didn't think they were good enough to be the US, from my observations. We won't know until CA players go to a tourney (or if US players go up to CA). Considering the rapidly declining popularity of such a "great" game, this may never come to pass. But, you're right. This is the last I will say about this on this thread. I will continue spout my garbage that Hugo is top tier. Dale Posted by roboticus on 01:24:2002 03:21 PM: quote: Originally posted by vaeir i'm just poininting this out to show that even with 10 times the population of Canada, USA still isn't as good as Canada in Starcraft, how do u explain that?? There are at least three factors at what makes an area good: 1) level/intensity of competition (typically local) 2) size of player base 3) amount of tourneys, and the competitve nature of the tourneys 4) (possibly) the amount of arcades Since I know nothing of Starcraft, I cannot comment with much authority. Now for some random comments: How is old is Starcraft? As old as SF? I've been playing in tourneys for almost 10 yrs. now. Look at Japan tourneys. A lot of them are one match, single elimination. That puts a lot of pressure on players. Look at the number of arcades in Japan. It's like double the US. Starcraft is on PC? I didn't even own a PC until like 1996. I seriously don't have much time in my life for games, it's a miracle I can squeeze SF in. Is it still possible for a player, playing in a vaccuum, to be the best player in the world? Yes, any game. Likely, most likely not. Dale Posted by roboticus on 01:24:2002 03:23 PM: quote: Originally posted by DeadlyRaveNeo Roboticus: hmmm, I remember you posting something similar before but your story was quite different from what it is now? In your post before, I don't recall you mentioning anything about "spreading the word" of your arrival. And if I also remember right, this was a good 2 years or so ago. No, my story has stayed the same, except maybe I may have seemed more upset at the fact that the good players didn't come out and see me. I was not the one who was spreading the word (my involvement was posting a couple of messages, BEFORE the Toronto thread), this guy who e-mailed me back said that a lot of people were looking forward to meeting me. But, like I said, that was back in 1999. If TO has improved its scene that much since then, then mad props to them. However, from my experience, I don't see that happening. It usually takes an influx of good players, an increase in player base, and increase in Tourneys. Does that mean TO sucks? I never said that. I'm just pointing out that I didn't think they were good enough to be the US, from my observations. We won't know until CA players go to a tourney (or if US players go up to CA). Considering the rapidly declining popularity of such a "great" game, this may never come to pass. But, you're right. This is the last I will say about this on this thread. I will continue spout my garbage that Hugo is top tier. Dale Posted by BillyKane on 01:24:2002 05:58 PM: Not to add any fuel to the discussion, but I had a very similar a year and half ago. I spent the summer in TO, but I didn't see any good players. However, I did only play on Yonge and Yorkdale Mall (I didn't know of better arcades =/, so my comment doesn't really mean anything. I also believe that people can get much better in a year and a half. Posted by Jecht on 01:24:2002 06:05 PM: WOW! Your kidding right? Hugo is one of the best, but these are simple actions your friend is doing. I see absolutly no problem with parrying or throwing when you get up. Hugo's crouching Forward kick has some lag to it (not much,but you can notice it) so you should be able to see it coming and parry into a Crouching Forward kick right into his sidestep kick (parry->C.FK->HCF+K) and that should work fine! now while he's down you should run up and play some mind games on him. Try a Crouching JP,SK,Universal Overhead (MP+MK)then maybe a standing MK to reach out and push him away or stuff whatever he tries to pull out. but anyway you do it, this should'nt be a problem for you. these are all very easily avoided/countered moves.=) Posted by DarthSalamander on 01:24:2002 06:19 PM: quote: Originally posted by vaeir i'm just poininting this out to show that even with 10 times the population of Canada, USA still isn't as good as Canada in Starcraft, how do u explain that?? Easy. You don't have to go to an arcade to play StarCraft. I could live in Anartica, and get online and play the best Korea or Canade, etc. players whenever, and practice with them. But if I wanted to play 3s, all I would have for comp is penguins. Posted by Jecht on 01:24:2002 06:23 PM: wtf! my god, I can't believe how many dipshit scrubs are living in toronto! What are you morons doing? bickering over the US and Canadian players because of the way hugo should be played? man, can't believe your disgracing us toronto players with your bullshit talk! and who cares about the tournament vids from like fucking July! It don't prove nothing, It was'nt that fucking unbelievable! the only good matches were the dudly matches because NoMercy really knows how to put the heat on you the rest of the players were using shotos which is not that impressive, we've all seen shotos in action no biggy. so why don't you just drop this shit! And where the fuck did that comment on Starcraft come out of? You really should'nt speak on behalf of toronto... because like most people here have stated, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! so please, stfu! And it really does'nt matter how you play Hugo! There is no specific way or Best way to play him. fuck, I play Hugo like a women... HARD TO GET! I like to tempt him and get in close so he can think he's got me then i change my mind and he falls short while i go to work on him. point is drop the shit! Posted by RedFlamesOfHell on 01:24:2002 06:44 PM: quote: Originally posted by Jecht play some mind games on him. Try a Crouching JP,SK,Universal Overhead (MP+MK)then maybe a standing MK to reach out and push him away or stuff whatever he tries to pull out. but anyway you do it, this should'nt be a problem for you. these are all very easily avoided/countered moves.=) uhhh... u fucking copied that little string of attacks from me...i gaurantee it. I posted this shit a long time ago. I posted it in many 3S threads..i'm talking about the c. jab, short, UOH, s. forward... but just to prove my point that you're a fucking biter and nothing else, that chain is just plain garbage on Hugo cause he will SPD you after the UOH, no matter if it hits or not...even worse, if he has meter, he will Gigas Break you.. PS. Next, think of ur own god damn tactics! PPS. Yes, I am Geese/CaliFlower Posted by Jecht on 01:24:2002 07:01 PM: Wow man your pathetic! not only are you a dumbass scrub your a cocky ass dipshit who does'nt know fuck! I've been at this forum for almost 2 years now, so i highly doubt you've posted that before me. And i would love to hear you say that in an arcade, people would point and laugh at you for being such a dumbass scrub. So please, why don't you just go sit down in you little corner and practice on your dreamcast before you come talking shit.And why don't you stop being a SPAM pussy switching identities. man, i can't stand talking to you your nothing but a big mouth little shithead. Oh and I have yet to be touched by a Hugo player and that was just a basic chain i gave to the guy cause his friend does'nt seem bright enough to get out of it. I don't bother with little pokes and leaps, I like to play mind games. Instead of thinking up combos i think up chains of attacks that will fuck people up and keep the pressure on. So please, fuck off little piss ant.=) Posted by vaeir on 01:24:2002 09:22 PM: Robotica: 1. i like ur analyzation, it's a very logical approach and it makes very good sense. i think the quality is obviously a lot more important than quantity as i belive one good player can inspire a lot more other players to become good. Street fighter competition or tournies are not close to starcraft, as i mentioned b4, the #1 player in SC practices 10 hours a day, and there are many of them playing professionally worldwide making lots of income, SC tournies have 30~40K for top prize plus there are tv coverages etc in korea.. and yes i believe there are more cyber cafes/pcs than there are arcades in japan or the whole earth... SF is just mostly a pasttime for most ppl who play them starcraft has been out for 3~4 years already with still millions of ppl playing it, which SF episode has lasted that long with such popularity. Even SF3, one of the best made fighting game is half dead now. Darth: I like how you implicitly said that under the same enviroment, canada players should be better than usa~~~ we really needed some usa player to point out that usa is not as good as canada in starcraft even with more population because battle.net creats a fair enviroment where Canada players excelled more than USA players even tho they had the same chance to compete ahhaha... anyways, i luv ur logic.. and yes we practice with polar bears and penguins in canada when we play SF Posted by vaeir on 01:24:2002 09:32 PM: jecht: what makes u think u're so good ahhaha, which arcade do you play in? all ur trash talk is pretty pathetic, u call geese cocky, but u're 10x more cocky than he is.... the most disgraceful thing in toronto is bad mannered ppl like you~~ makes ppl from other place think Toronto is full of jerks and etc... doesn't really matter if toronto is good in SF or not when ppl here act like 3 year olds who don't respect anyone. i dunno shit bout SF or SC..? i will play u in either game if you want to -and i can't believe u2 are argueing about who came up with that chain when there are probably hundreds of ppl worldwide who may have invented it independently Posted by arcticninja on 01:24:2002 09:45 PM: I'd just like to point out that Jecht is most likely WhiteScorpion from Montreal. That is all. PS: Hugo is top tier. Posted by bl3hbl3h on 01:24:2002 11:00 PM: quote: Originally posted by roboticus As I have posted many times before I went to TO and I saw nothing! Granted, most of my play was at Younge street, which apparently, after my trip I was informed, is not where a lot of top people play. But, you know what? Dale Try playing at Brimley & Eglinton in Scarborough next time you come up Posted by Jecht on 01:24:2002 11:36 PM: quote: Originally posted by vaeir jecht: what makes u think u're so good ahhaha, which arcade do you play in? all ur trash talk is pretty pathetic, u call geese cocky, but u're 10x more cocky than he is.... the most disgraceful thing in toronto is bad mannered ppl like you~~ makes ppl from other place think Toronto is full of jerks and etc... doesn't really matter if toronto is good in SF or not when ppl here act like 3 year olds who don't respect anyone. i dunno shit bout SF or SC..? i will play u in either game if you want to -and i can't believe u2 are argueing about who came up with that chain when there are probably hundreds of ppl worldwide who may have invented it independently Hey, why don't you pay attention and read my posts before you go off your handle talking shit. first off, i see no reason for you too get in my face when I have not aimed any comments at you except for the one about starcraft coming into this discussion, all comments were mostly directed at Geese. second, wtf are you talking about that chain? did i not just say to Geese that if he were to say he invented it in an arcade people would laugh at him? I could'nt care less about some chain of pokes, i took no credit for them either so I don't know where your going with that.And how do you consider me cocky? have I once bragged about my gameplay? have i said I'm the best or am a top tier player? NO! the only thing even remotly cocky sounding was the remark about not being touched by hugo. And even then it does'nt mean anything because practicaly no one plays Hugo here, all a bunch of Dudly,Shoto,Oro abusers. And don't go pawning your shit off on me trying to pick matches with people you don't know shit about. So please, shut up while you still can. I live around Glen Watford Drive, i don't have any specific arcades i usually just play wherever I am closest to. Now Vaeir, would'nt you rather discuss tactics and SF3 then bitch about and carry on these ridiculous arguments? cause i know i sure would.=) ArcticNinja: Don't know him, don't care. I'm from Toronto in case you did'nt see the thing under my name "LOCATION" And yes i agree with you, Hugo is top tier as i previously stated in my first post. Posted by DarthSalamander on 01:25:2002 01:28 AM: quote: Originally posted by vaeir Darth: I like how you implicitly said that under the same enviroment, canada players should be better than usa~~~ we really needed some usa player to point out that usa is not as good as canada in starcraft even with more population because battle.net creats a fair enviroment where Canada players excelled more than USA players even tho they had the same chance to compete ahhaha... anyways, i luv ur logic.. and yes we practice with polar bears and penguins in canada when we play SF Either I misunderstoof your point or you misunderstood mine. Your crippled English makes it a little hard for me to be sure which. I was just replying to this statement: "i'm just poininting this out to show that even with 10 times the population of Canada, USA still isn't as good as Canada in Starcraft, how do u explain that??" If you did not needed it pointed out, why did you ask? Further more I don't remember stating that under the same enviroment Canada will do better than the USA. I was just stating how online play no longer makes your location such a strong factor on how good you are ( although it still does, the best players generally still come from the East). There are other factors to be considered (Motivation, preference for types of games, etc.) Just tyring to clear this up. Posted by Eternal Blue on 01:25:2002 02:05 AM: Uhhh... I know this is kinda off topic, but I just developed my new Ryu chain attack today. (upclose) c. strong, c. short, c. forward xx strong fireball Just thought I'd mention it, since it connects, and I didn't think it would... Posted by Smiley on 01:25:2002 02:40 AM: WOW! we're good in SF3?!?!?!?! i never knew that... cause every time i'm down on yonge street (if EVER that is), i play ddr... i hear everyone plays at this one arcade that i havn't be too.. i play at pacific mall (ddr and ppp, like the ONLY ppp machine in the area) and scaborough town.... so basically, i suck. Posted by Jecht on 01:25:2002 10:19 PM: quote: Originally posted by Smiley WOW! we're good in SF3?!?!?!?! i never knew that... cause every time i'm down on yonge street (if EVER that is), i play ddr... i hear everyone plays at this one arcade that i havn't be too.. i play at pacific mall (ddr and ppp, like the ONLY ppp machine in the area) and scaborough town.... so basically, i suck. Here,here!=) Pacific mall is the closest and most Common mall i go to, they got great DDR competition. All those asians kicking ass. you any good? there are a couple of good people who play at the Brampton Future World Arcade and the Playdium in Missasauga. you should try those out if your ever around there.=) And yes, I would have to say Toronto is above average on our 3s skills, something about the game that just attracts us to it.=) Posted by DeadlyRaveNeo on 01:25:2002 11:13 PM: 3S competition is pretty much dead in Toronto, there is no longer a single arcade where a lot of great challengers would go to, unlike before, where there would be a lot of quarters in line on the 3S machine. From time to time, there are players who would drop by, and its also sad to see that the best 3S machine is actually in a bowling Alley (Club 300) but no body plays there. If you are lucky you might play some of the retired top players if they decide to drop by. Posted by vaeir on 01:26:2002 06:03 AM: 3s funland weekdays is still ok, good ppl drop by all the time, still can get a crowd sometimes during peak hours, but i guess too far from u guys Posted by mixup on 01:26:2002 10:51 AM: A mindgame, all of the options in the fight, yours versus theirs, you use a tactic of yours as{bait} a set-up/counter to a situation. Dependant on the characters being used. Geese, you are a fucking prick, i have never seen anyone more annoying than you post, it's a shame i ever associated myself with your goony arse... Posted by Eternal Blue on 01:26:2002 04:11 PM: quote: Originally posted by mixup A mindgame, all of the options in the fight, yours versus theirs, you use a tactic of yours as{bait} a set-up/counter to a situation. Dependant on the characters being used. Geese, you are a fucking prick, i have never seen anyone more annoying than you post, it's a shame i ever associated myself with your goony arse... Normally, I would have taken this as a compliment, but since I am no longer Geese, I will accept this criticism and go on with life. Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on 01:29:2002 02:04 AM: um...post about 3S maybe? we need another good 3S thread goin on, its been awhile. Just mad repicked up the game recently with my friends and i have a friend who works at an arcade that it convincing his boss to order a machine, mad phat. any questions i can try to answer, 3S will always be my #1 SF game (until SF4 that is). I've been around since 3rd Strike Fans Unite All times are GMT. The time now is 12:18 AM. Show all 62 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.